Goodbye Wrangler soft top?

New California rules could stop sales of soft tops in the Golden State

Posted October 13 2009 09:35 AM by Phil Howell - 4WD and SU Editor-in-Chief
Filed under: Editorials

Our Webmaster Ed Sanchez posted in the forum about CARB's latest idea to "help" residents of the Golden State. This rule would require all vehicles to have advanced window glazing that would keep interiors cooler. If implemented, this would mean California residents would have to say goodbye to the Jeep Wrangler soft top, one of the reasons these vehicles are so much fun.

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Yes, CARB wants to require windows to be coated with microscopic specs of metal oxide. This glazing would not only block sunlight, but would render useless GPS, cell phones, satellite radio, computers, and other RF devices inside the vehicle that didn't have antennas mounted outside. It would also keep convertible vehicles from being sold because the coating wouldn't work on plastic windows.

The reasoning is that since vehicle interiors would be cooler, air conditioning wouldn't have to be used as much, cutting vehicle emissions. It's my opinion that CARB employees have nothing else to do and are justifying their jobs by thinking up new dim-bulb rules.

Honda said the new requirement is simply not feasible.

California is a very large market. I wonder what would happen if all vehicle manufacturers just said "NO," and quit building cars that complied with CARB rules. California would become like Cuba and no new vehicles would be sold there. In 2060, you could travel to California in your brand new, solar electric 4x4 and find classic, patched-together 2010 and older (ONLY older - no new) vehicles still chugging, puffing and wheezing down the highway.

Of course, if California passes the law that requires old vehicles to be crushed, then the 2060 visitor would find residents riding horses. Oh wait - environmentalists say livestock are a major source of greenhouse gasses, so they'll be legislated out of existence by then, too.

Bicycles are a great way to get around, anyway.

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Reader Comments:

1. Unfortunately California's wacky way of doing things is applauded in our nations capitol, and a number of other wacked-out States as well.

Wise up people. This is just another example of a future where the people's voices are heard less and less.

Larry
http://www.4-the-love-of-jeeps.com

morty - Posted October 13 2009 08:35 PM

2. The CARB has a FAQ site that disputes my claims. I don't trust them. Here's a Detroit News article written by David Shepardson on this subject:

David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington Bureau
Washington -- California's latest requirement for the auto industry -- advanced window glazing to keep vehicles cooler -- could prevent drivers from making phone calls, listening to satellite radio or using garage door openers.

It also could lead Chrysler Group LLC to stop selling its soft-top convertible Jeep Wrangler in the Golden State. The standard for sunroofs is so tough that automakers warn the glass would have to be "effectively black."

The California Air Resources Board has adopted a new "Cool Cars" regulation ordering advanced glazing of windows to block the sun's heat and reduce the need for air conditioning. Windows must be coated with microscopic specks of metal oxide to reflect sunlight.

Advocates say the requirements will reduce the temperature inside vehicles, saving gasoline and cutting greenhouse gases.

The regulations take effect in 2012, with a three-year phase-in and requires that by 2014 all vehicles prevent 45 percent of the energy from the sun from entering a vehicle and 60 percent by 2016.The regulation applies to all new vehicles weighing 10,000 pounds or less.The board will review the second phase of the regulation next summer. By the end of this month, the board plans to publish its completed regulation. The public gets 15 days to comment with the final package to be completed by May 2010.

Some companies worry that the new requirements haven't been fully tested. In a Sept. 22 letter, Garmin International Inc., the California Manufacturers and Technology Association and the International Bridge, Tunnel & Turnpike Association warned that "more time was needed to assess the impact" of the rules.

They noted that "ankle bracelets for parolees," along with cell phone calls and laptops, "may be adversely affected by the metallic reflective standard" because the signals "must be able to penetrate the glazing in vehicles."

Garmin's initial testing said the signals from GPS devices were degraded.

Major automakers, led by the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers and Association of International Automobile Manufacturers, argued for a different standard that would "absorb" rather than "reflect" energy and wouldn't risk wireless signals.

"It achieves about 85 percent of the benefit at about 10 percent of the cost, and it doesn't have any of the complications of reflective glazings," said the alliance's Steve Douglas. He said the standard would lead to "more dropped calls." Sunroofs would have to be "effectively black. So there's no light coming through that."

Honda said the new requirement "is simply not feasible" on the current timetable. Toyota Motor Corp. used similar reflective glass in Japan from 1989-94, before dropping it because of problems with radio wave devices.

Chrysler Group LLC has sought an exemption for vehicles' plastic windows, warning it could affect its GEM Electric vehicle and Jeep Wrangler.

The irony is the GEM electric vehicles don't even offer air conditioning, Chrysler said.

"The very popular Jeep Wrangler fitted with a soft convertible top uses flexible roll-up side windows which are not capable of meeting the side window standard," Ross Good, Chrysler's senior manager of government relations told the board. "Outlawing the soft top would require us to use the hard-top vehicle with the hard windows, which would add significant weight to the vehicle."

The initial standard will cost $111 over the life of a vehicle; the 2016 standard will add $250 to the cost of each vehicle. California says it will take five to 12 years for consumers to recoup the costs from reduced gasoline use.

Air conditioning burns more gasoline and contributes to greenhouse gas emissions. California says its regulation will save 700,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide by 2020, which is equivalent to taking 140,000 cars off the road for a year.

The new rule has other benefits, California says. It will keep cars 13 degrees cooler and reduce fading of upholstery and cracking of the dashboard. "This is a common sense and cost-effective measure that will help cool the cars we drive and fight global warning," said Mary Nichols, chairwoman of the California Air Resources Board.

The board has acknowledged that the reflective coating on windows can hinder communications, but said antennas are "an alternative already abundantly used."

Phil Howell - 4WD and SU Editor-in-Chief - Posted October 15 2009 07:03 PM

3. CARB has made some positive changes! Dave at All Par writes:

The California Air Resources Board announced that vehicles with soft plastic windows, such as those in the Jeep Wrangler, will be exempt from new regulations that require thermal-control windows. The regulations, to be phased in starting in model year 2012, are designed to reduce vehicle emissions by cutting the load on air conditioners.

Due to inversion layers which keep pollution close to its source in large parts of the state, California has had much stricter pollution rules than the Federal government in order to comply with clean-air regulations and reduce pollution-related illness.

The California Air Resources Board said that the “Cool Cars” regulation would only apply to “rigid windows” and not the “flexible glazing” on vehicles such as the Wrangler (which was mentioned by name.) Avoiding a loophole, they also noted that rigid plastic windows would need to comply with the standards, which are to be finalized by the end of October 2009.

GEM electric vehicles also have soft plastic windows; they do not have air conditioning.

The rules are expected to require windows that block 45% of the sun’s thermal energy (60% by 2016) on new vehicles weighing under 10,000 pounds. The windows may interfere with handheld cell phone and navigation systems, which drivers are discouraged from using (but which passengers may use). The board said that they would not interfere with electronic toll systems such as EZPass, based on tests, and that garage door openers would still work if used through a “deletion window.”

Toyota said the regulation would be expensive for them, since their GPS antennas are mounted inside the vehicle, and would need to be moved to the roof.

Depending on the price of fuel, the cost of the regulation would take 5-12 years to recoup in gas mileage, according to the state.

Phil Howell - 4WD and SU Editor-in-Chief - Posted October 21 2009 06:07 PM

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